[Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting open on-line research)

Nuno M. Garcia ngarcia
Thu Nov 3 08:01:52 EDT 2011


Hi all.

Please see inline.

All the best,

Nuno Garcia


On 3 November 2011 10:44, <j.agbinya at ib2com.org> wrote:

> Further more, you could never be sure of the expertise of the
> reviewers and how suited they are to review the paper.
>

Almost the same goes for conferences. This is, in my view, the major
disadvantage of conferences vs. Magazine/Journal publications. I've had my
fair share of really-bad reviews in conferences (including "your paper is
so good it does not need any improvement").

Just because 100 people review one paper and say that it is a good
> paper does not mean it is a good paper to be published in a journal or
> conference. I for one will not accept a paper reviewed online to be
> published in a journal to which I am the editor until the paper is
> reviewed by nominated experts on the topic. If the experts be it two
> or three on the topic reject the paper, I will still ignore the
> opinions of the 100 online reviewers are may or may not be remotely
> knowledgable on the topic.
>
> Rapid reviews do lead to paper mills and pulp. In an age where you
> often discover some unethical authors submit identical copies of the
> same paper to different review outlets with same title and also with
> changed title, rapid reviews would work to the advantage of pulp paper
> production outlets.
>
> Good reviews take time because of the tasks involved in reviewing
> someone's claim to new ideas.
>

Yes, good reviews take time and take good and knowledgeable reviewers, and
these are increasingly hard to find... Maybe online we can see some sort of
statistical effect (many contributing to an overall fair review), and also,
contribute to train reviewers to become even better reviewers.


>
> johnson
> Quoting Luigi Iannone <luigi at net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>:
>
> >
> > On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:46 , Pars Mutaf wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >>> I think you should clearly expose the rules of your system, I really
> >>> do not understand how does it work.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi Emmanuel,
> >>
> >> Normally you should come with answer not questions (it is not only my
> >> idea).
> >> I mean: Question the current system not the new one to come.
> >>
> >
> > Pars,
> >
> > Why should we trust your system without questioning it?
> > If that is what you want why you are opening the discussion on this
> > mailing list?
> >
> > Let me take advantage of this mail to raise another point (please
> > correct me if I misunderstood your model).
> >
> > You stated several times that conferences take too long to provide
> feedback.
> >
> > How much time do you think will take in your open system for a paper
> > to have sufficient review feedback so that it can become a
> > meaningful publication?
> >
> > I mean, the fact that you post online a paper does not make the
> > paper automatically correct, interesting, or actually  providing a
> > real contribution. So I wouldn't consider it a real publication that
> > can be referenced until either I review it myself (but I cannot
> > review all the papers I cite in my publications) or I wait that
> > someone else does the review.
> >
> > And what are the incentives to review in your model? Why should I
> > actually spend time on your paper?
> >
> > In conferences and journals there an organizational infrastructure
> > that guarantees me that as I do review for others people articles
> > other people will review my paper. In your open system it may
> > happens that I spend time reviewing papers and nobody will ever have
> > a look at my papers.
> >
> > ciao
> >
> > Luigi
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html
> >> Pars
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Emmanuel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Pars
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Usman Ashraf <
> >>> m_usman_ashraf at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a point that I'm missing? why don't we just submit our work
> to
> >>> a
> >>>>> reputed journal for feedback?
> >>>>> Most reputed journals don't charge anything, don't cost as much as
> >>>>> conferences and provide us with a decent feedback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> regards
> >>>>> Usman.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:43:11 +0200
> >>>>>> From: pars.mutaf at gmail.com
> >>>>>> To: touch at isi.edu
> >>>>>> CC: tccc at lists.cs.columbia.edu
> >>>>>> Subject: [Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting
> >>> open
> >>>>> on-line research)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you please send feedback for the following work. I don't want
> to
> >>>>>> submit it to conferences just for feedback. I would therefore need
> >>> your
> >>>>>> opinion:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.5115
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or, please point me to me to a list working on this kind of topic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pars
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: Based on the below idea, this is a test for open research.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joe Touch <touch at isi.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 11/1/2011 11:37 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Conferences may have the benefits that are listed above. The
> >>> problem is
> >>>>>>>> being tied to conferences just for receiving feedback.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's useful to appreciate that it has always been possible to write
> >>>>> drafts
> >>>>>>> and tech reports and post them - either via direct email, or to
> >>> lists*
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> discussion or feedback.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *This list in particular is intended for exactly this kind of
> >>>>> discussion;
> >>>>>>> we are often overrun with CFPs, but they is NOT the primary
> >>> motivation
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> this list.*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Joe (TCCC Chair)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *it's more useful to post only the abstract, not the full text or
> >>> PDF
> >>>>> FWIW.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *there are many IEEE Comsoc TCs; it's always useful to post your
> >>> ideas
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the TC most specific to your work.
> >>>>>>>
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