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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Marco Mellia +ACY-lt+ADs-mellia at tlc.polito.it+ACY-gt+ADs- wrote: +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Guys, +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- This discussion has been floating around for at least 10 years+ACE- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- The whole community already agreed to consider those findings bogus and +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- those guys are keeping trying to publish their work without success. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- To me, this is just a waste of time for the community. And this proves +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- both the robustness of the traditional peer-reviewing system (I mean, the +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- REAL peer reviewing system, for quality conferences and journals) and the +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- inutility of other mechanisms. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- -- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Marco Mellia - Assistant Professor +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Dipartimento di Elettronica +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Politecnico di Torino +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Corso Duca Degli Abruzzi 24 +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- 10129 - Torino - IT +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Tel: 011-090-4173 +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cel: 331-6714789 +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Skype: mgmellia +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Home page: +ADw-A HREF+AD0AIg-http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/mellia+ACIAPg-http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/mellia+ADw-/A+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote: +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Lachlan Andrew +ACY-lt+ADs-lachlan.andrew at gmail.com +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-wrote: +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On 10 November 2011 21:48, Pars Mutaf +ACY-lt+ADs-pars.mutaf at gmail.com+ACY-gt+ADs- wrote: +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Lachlan Andrew +ACY-lt+ADs- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- lachlan.andrew at gmail.com+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- wrote: +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- As an aside, this is a good example of the benefit of peer review over +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- the +ACY-quot+ADs-open review+ACY-quot+ADs- that is being discussed on another thread. It is +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- more efficient to have three reviewers point out this flaw (if it is +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- one) than have all readers of the TCCC list spend time reading the +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- technical report. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- I guess I have to reply: +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- I don't understand. The author got a feedback without waiting 3-6 +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- months. Why peer review is better? Why compare the two when you +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- can have both? +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Ture, the authors got fast feedback. However, the system is less +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- efficient. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Notice that, in my rush to save others from reading a clearly flawed +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- paper, I mis-identified the flaw, which further increases the noise. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- In a proper review process, I would have waited until I was certain +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- (since there wouldn't be hundreds of other people possibly reading the +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- same paper) and clearly pointed out what the problem is. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Yes this the advantage of public discussion. If you don't notice the error +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- in your comment someone else can. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- The authors got fast feedback in this case because they used the +ACY-quot+ADs-high +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- priority+ACY-quot+ADs- QoS class (send to everyone instead of three people). If +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- everyone uses the high priority class, then nobody gets good service. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- If you want to +ACY-quot+ADs-crowd source+ACY-quot+ADs- reviewing, take a look at +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- www.scholarpedia.org +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- . +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Yes this is another approach. +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cheers, +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Pars +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cheers, +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Lachlan +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- -- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Lachlan Andrew Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures (CAIA) +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Swinburne University of Technology, Melbourne, Australia +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A HREF+AD0AIg-http://caia.swin.edu.au/cv/landrew+ACIAPg-http://caia.swin.edu.au/cv/landrew+ADw-/A+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Ph 3 9214 4837 +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXw- +ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- IEEE Communications Society Tech. 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