[Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting open on-line research)
Pars Mutaf
pars.mutaf
Thu Nov 3 07:39:40 EDT 2011
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sakib Pathan <sakib.pathan at gmail.com>wrote:
> Asking question is the way of clarifying doubt. All created things
> following the laws of space and time must be flawed. Hence, both current
> and the proposed systems will have flaws. While some of the points
> mentioned here (
> http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html) seem to be reasonable, I see some critical problems. May be I am again
> asking the same questions others already have put forward.
>
> 1. Though the idea of ?on-line archive? seems to be attractive, such
> centralization in digital world could draw numerous numbers of submissions
> to a single archive that could be again left for long time without reviews!
> How many ?on-line archives? should be there?
>
> 2. If Step 3: ?When the community and authors decide that the article is
> ready for publication, the authors submit it to a journal using the current
> system. The article is published with their names.? is followed, the same
> problem of taking long time exists. What is meant by ?community?? How many
> people/scientists?
>
> 3. Previously it was noted that a scientific conference does not only
> provide a forum for scientific researchers, but also many things could be
> learnt from direct human-to-human communications that you might not find in
> your own surroundings or in the digital world. Sitting in from of the
> monitor does not give the idea how much a work could scale to a different
> infrastructure and settings.
>
> 4. While blocking conference travel might save money, reduce carbon
> emission, and provide other facilities, the learning from a different
> setting or environment will be less or none, which will hamper the actual
> scientific progress that could be applied overall for the mankind.
>
> *The better idea could be: *
>
> 1. Keep the conferences as they are now (online or physical). People may
> or may not attend, local or international (based on capability).
>
> 2. Submit your works to the archive systems. If people are interested,
> they will automatically read those. It would be rather better to make some
> system that announces arrival of such-and-such paper in the digital
> archive. We should have choice of topics so that papers are notified to us
> using some filtering system. Then, I will have choice to read it or not,
> comment it or not.
>
> 3. Naturally go for journals for publication.
>
>
Yes this my opinion too.. We just need to augment archive systems with
online discussion.
Personally, if I see a paper in which I am interested I give feedback
without waiting anything in return. This comes naturally from the need to
talk about the topic. Because I like the topic.
Cheers,
Pars
> Best Regards,
> Sakib
> http://staff.iium.edu.my/sakib/
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Emmanuel Lochin
>> <emmanuel.lochin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > On 3 November 2011 09:45, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi Usman,
>> > >
>> > > The method you are suggesting means that we need to wait 6 months for
>> > > feedback (3-5 reviews).
>> >
>> > Hi Pars,
>> >
>> > Why do you think it would be faster with your proposal?
>> > I saw that you requested a review for one of your paper, but how long
>> > you expect to get real reviews? I mean, not from your friends,
>> > colleagues or collaborators.
>> > Who is going to stand whether the reviewer is skilled or not?
>> > If the reviewer is not anonymous, who would risk to send a review that
>> > might be qualified as bad by the author or another person?
>> >
>> > I think you should clearly expose the rules of your system, I really
>> > do not understand how does it work.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Emmanuel,
>>
>> Normally you should come with answer not questions (it is not only my
>> idea).
>> I mean: Question the current system not the new one to come.
>>
>>
>> http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html
>> Pars
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Emmanuel
>> >
>> >
>> > > Pars
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Usman Ashraf <
>> > m_usman_ashraf at hotmail.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Dear All,
>> > >>
>> > >> Is there a point that I'm missing? why don't we just submit our work
>> to
>> > a
>> > >> reputed journal for feedback?
>> > >> Most reputed journals don't charge anything, don't cost as much as
>> > >> conferences and provide us with a decent feedback.
>> > >>
>> > >> regards
>> > >> Usman.
>> > >>
>> > >> > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:43:11 +0200
>> > >> > From: pars.mutaf at gmail.com
>> > >> > To: touch at isi.edu
>> > >> > CC: tccc at lists.cs.columbia.edu
>> > >> > Subject: [Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting
>> > open
>> > >> on-line research)
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hi all,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Could you please send feedback for the following work. I don't
>> want to
>> > >> > submit it to conferences just for feedback. I would therefore need
>> > your
>> > >> > opinion:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.5115
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Or, please point me to me to a list working on this kind of topic.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Pars
>> > >> >
>> > >> > PS: Based on the below idea, this is a test for open research.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joe Touch <touch at isi.edu> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 11/1/2011 11:37 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
>> > >> > > ...
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Conferences may have the benefits that are listed above. The
>> > problem is
>> > >> > >> being tied to conferences just for receiving feedback.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > It's useful to appreciate that it has always been possible to
>> write
>> > >> drafts
>> > >> > > and tech reports and post them - either via direct email, or to
>> > lists*
>> > >> for
>> > >> > > discussion or feedback.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *This list in particular is intended for exactly this kind of
>> > >> discussion;
>> > >> > > we are often overrun with CFPs, but they is NOT the primary
>> > motivation
>> > >> for
>> > >> > > this list.*
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Joe (TCCC Chair)
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *it's more useful to post only the abstract, not the full text or
>> > PDF
>> > >> FWIW.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *there are many IEEE Comsoc TCs; it's always useful to post your
>> > ideas
>> > >> to
>> > >> > > the TC most specific to your work.
>> > >> > >
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