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+ADw-PRE+AD4-I am didn't re-open the discussion.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Marco Mellia +ACY-lt+ADs-mellia at tlc.polito.it+ACY-gt+ADs- wrote:
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Guys,
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- This discussion has been floating around for at least 10 years+ACE-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- The whole community already agreed to consider those findings bogus and
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- those guys are keeping trying to publish their work without success.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- To me, this is just a waste of time for the community. And this proves
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- both the robustness of the traditional peer-reviewing system (I mean, the
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- REAL peer reviewing system, for quality conferences and journals) and the
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- inutility of other mechanisms.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- --
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Marco Mellia - Assistant Professor
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Dipartimento di Elettronica
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Politecnico di Torino
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Corso Duca Degli Abruzzi 24
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- 10129 - Torino - IT
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Tel: 011-090-4173
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cel: 331-6714789
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Skype: mgmellia
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Home page: +ADw-A HREF+AD0AIg-http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/mellia+ACIAPg-http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/mellia+ADw-/A+AD4-
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+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Lachlan Andrew +ACY-lt+ADs-lachlan.andrew at gmail.com
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-wrote:
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On 10 November 2011 21:48, Pars Mutaf +ACY-lt+ADs-pars.mutaf at gmail.com+ACY-gt+ADs- wrote:
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Lachlan Andrew +ACY-lt+ADs-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- lachlan.andrew at gmail.com+ACY-gt+ADs-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- wrote:
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- As an aside, this is a good example of the benefit of peer review over
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- the +ACY-quot+ADs-open review+ACY-quot+ADs- that is being discussed on another thread. It is
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- more efficient to have three reviewers point out this flaw (if it is
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- one) than have all readers of the TCCC list spend time reading the
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- technical report.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- I guess I have to reply:
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- I don't understand. The author got a feedback without waiting 3-6
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- months. Why peer review is better? Why compare the two when you
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- can have both?
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Ture, the authors got fast feedback. However, the system is less
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- efficient.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Notice that, in my rush to save others from reading a clearly flawed
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- paper, I mis-identified the flaw, which further increases the noise.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- In a proper review process, I would have waited until I was certain
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- (since there wouldn't be hundreds of other people possibly reading the
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- same paper) and clearly pointed out what the problem is.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Yes this the advantage of public discussion. If you don't notice the error
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- in your comment someone else can.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- The authors got fast feedback in this case because they used the +ACY-quot+ADs-high
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- priority+ACY-quot+ADs- QoS class (send to everyone instead of three people). If
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- everyone uses the high priority class, then nobody gets good service.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- If you want to +ACY-quot+ADs-crowd source+ACY-quot+ADs- reviewing, take a look at
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- www.scholarpedia.org
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- .
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Yes this is another approach.
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cheers,
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Pars
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Cheers,
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4-
+ADw-/I+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-i+AD4- Lachlan
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