[Tccc] ComSoc technical cosponsorship - r...

Professor Ibrahim Habib habibatccny.cuny.edu
Sun Jun 2 17:28:39 EDT 2013



 What I am saying is that subjectiveness is not a bad word. Human experience 
includes a subjective component and should not be quantified by parameters or 
eliminated. We should not attempt to eliminate human experience by some 
parameters that any computer could use to make a decision based upon a number 
or numbers. 
So a committee of "human experts" talking to people and taking notes is a 
valuable tool of evaluation and should not/could not be quantified by 
parameters. Ofcourse there will be a subjective element in the decision reached 
by such committee but the word "subjective" in this conotation should not be 
used (and it is not)as a bad word. It does not mean that this committee is a 
committe of "old boys" club nor does it mean that the body who is sending this 
committee is an "old boys" club. It is simply wrong to throw adjectives such as 
old boys to characterize human endeavor by experts.
My opinion is that we cannot design a set of parameters to measure efficacy of 
conferences. Any attempt to doing so is inutile and straightforward wrong. 
Having said that, we could have guidelines that human experts could utilize and 
find useful. There is no replacement for human experience.
Ibrahim Habib  

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:04:34 -0400
>From: Anthony Ephremides <et... at umd.edu>  
>Subject: Re: [Tccc] ComSoc technical cosponsorship - rating    the     review  
>process  
>To: Ken Calvert <calv... at netlab.uky.edu>,"Tccc at lists.cs.columbia.edu" 
><tccc at lists.cs.columbia.edu>
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>But not through metrics that can be manipulated.
>
>AE
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>Anthony Ephremides
>Distinguished University Professor and
>Cynthia Kim Eminent Professor of
>Information Technology
>ECE dept and ISR
>University of Maryland
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>etony(at)umd(dot) edu
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Calvert [mailto:calv... at netlab.uky.edu] 
>Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:00 PM
>To: Tccc at lists.cs.columbia.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tccc] ComSoc technical cosponsorship - rating the review process
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>
>On 2 Jun 2013, at 16:30 PM, Anthony Ephremides <et... at umd.edu> wrote:
>
>> Instead, do as the ABET does. Send visiting committees to assess the 
>> sponsored conferences and file a report, hear the rebuttal, and make a 
>> decision.
>
>And that is pretty much what Joe's criteria were about: feedback from the 
>TCCC-designated TPC members of sponsored conferences.
>
>Ken Calvert
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